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	<title>Comments on: Stogie Commentary: Go SCHIP Yourself!</title>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to take a contrarian view with this. If I were a cigar manufacturer or one of the tobacco giants, I would offer this compromise - willingly accept a reasonable tax on the product in exchange for a loosening of the draconian laws restricting its use. In other words, call Washington&#039;s bluff. 
 
First, it gives us - cigar smokers, manufacturers, growers, etc - the high moral ground. We can say that when it comes to children&#039;s health, we&#039;re open to compromise. Second, the economic argument is sound - God knows my fiancee and I smoked a lot more cigars when we had more places to smoke them (and while we&#039;re at it, we had awfully large bartabs too). Lastly, it&#039;s good PR. Let&#039;s be honest - this argument looks like rich cigar smokers vs. poor kids. There&#039;s NO WAY anyone is going to have sympathy for this side of the discussion, no matter how valid our arguments against the tax are. By offering something in exchange for something (which Washington will never go for) it makes the politicians look intractable and obstructionist. We can say &quot;hey,we love kids and we want to help...but it was DC&#039;s way or the highway..Plus, the more cigars we smoke - the more kids get care&quot;. 
 
Just sayin... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m going to take a contrarian view with this. If I were a cigar manufacturer or one of the tobacco giants, I would offer this compromise &#8211; willingly accept a reasonable tax on the product in exchange for a loosening of the draconian laws restricting its use. In other words, call Washington&#039;s bluff.</p>
<p>First, it gives us &#8211; cigar smokers, manufacturers, growers, etc &#8211; the high moral ground. We can say that when it comes to children&#039;s health, we&#039;re open to compromise. Second, the economic argument is sound &#8211; God knows my fiancee and I smoked a lot more cigars when we had more places to smoke them (and while we&#039;re at it, we had awfully large bartabs too). Lastly, it&#039;s good PR. Let&#039;s be honest &#8211; this argument looks like rich cigar smokers vs. poor kids. There&#039;s NO WAY anyone is going to have sympathy for this side of the discussion, no matter how valid our arguments against the tax are. By offering something in exchange for something (which Washington will never go for) it makes the politicians look intractable and obstructionist. We can say &quot;hey,we love kids and we want to help&#8230;but it was DC&#039;s way or the highway..Plus, the more cigars we smoke &#8211; the more kids get care&quot;.</p>
<p>Just sayin&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: timothy fitzgerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>timothy fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you hit it right on the head again with your opinion.i agree with you that the industry must get its act together. let me add wake the hell up fast and do something fast. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you hit it right on the head again with your opinion.i agree with you that the industry must get its act together. let me add wake the hell up fast and do something fast.</p>
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		<title>By: Marshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who could be against the SCHIP bill? After all, it was written in accordance with what is now the true American spirit: &quot;Find a way for someone else to pay your expenses!&quot; This country has been transformed from a land where you reap what you sow, to one where we all pay something for nothing so that we may all get something for nothing. That is the true nature of this bill, yet another tax-and-spend scheme, using the poor little children as political shields. What descent human could oppose a measure to assure their health?&quot; 
 
Everyone just loves Santa Clause, except for those from whom he must steal in order to be able to give away so much, The SCHIP expansion bill is another instance of our government&#039;s attempts to remove financial responsibility from a broad class of people, and instead burden those who are powerless to refuse. Rather than have everyone, or at least those who have chosen to raise children, pay for their health care, Congress is still attempting to single out a minority which they believe will not be able to defend itself, those who manufacture, sell and consume tobacco.  
 
The unfair and illogical use of tobacco taxes to finance programs which are being touted as essential to such a large class of people, when coupled with attempts to actually discourage tobacco&#039;s consumption, is one of the poorest strategies this writer has ever encountered. Here is an example of a business depending for its survival on increased sales of a product, and spending an enormous advertising budget to convince customers they simply cannot live without it. When everyone involved ignores the manufacturer&#039;s repeated announcements that it intends to curtail or discontinue production of the product,  for which there is no substitute, there can be nothing but disappointment. The customer, who hadn&#039;t even considered shopping elsewhere, is left with nothing but empty promises, and real frustration upon finding out that those who would have provided something are no longer in business, because the competition&#039;s claims were too good to be true. 
 
 
Congress would not even dare to consider financing a measure benefiting children with taxes on such things as baby food, diapers, children&#039;s clothing, juvenile furniture or toys. Even more outlandish would be the mere thought of doing away with dependents&#039; tax exemptions to fund their health care and education. Never in a million years could we count on something that fair happening in the land of the free and the home of the brave! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who could be against the SCHIP bill? After all, it was written in accordance with what is now the true American spirit: &quot;Find a way for someone else to pay your expenses!&quot; This country has been transformed from a land where you reap what you sow, to one where we all pay something for nothing so that we may all get something for nothing. That is the true nature of this bill, yet another tax-and-spend scheme, using the poor little children as political shields. What descent human could oppose a measure to assure their health?&quot;</p>
<p>Everyone just loves Santa Clause, except for those from whom he must steal in order to be able to give away so much, The SCHIP expansion bill is another instance of our government&#039;s attempts to remove financial responsibility from a broad class of people, and instead burden those who are powerless to refuse. Rather than have everyone, or at least those who have chosen to raise children, pay for their health care, Congress is still attempting to single out a minority which they believe will not be able to defend itself, those who manufacture, sell and consume tobacco. </p>
<p>The unfair and illogical use of tobacco taxes to finance programs which are being touted as essential to such a large class of people, when coupled with attempts to actually discourage tobacco&#039;s consumption, is one of the poorest strategies this writer has ever encountered. Here is an example of a business depending for its survival on increased sales of a product, and spending an enormous advertising budget to convince customers they simply cannot live without it. When everyone involved ignores the manufacturer&#039;s repeated announcements that it intends to curtail or discontinue production of the product,  for which there is no substitute, there can be nothing but disappointment. The customer, who hadn&#039;t even considered shopping elsewhere, is left with nothing but empty promises, and real frustration upon finding out that those who would have provided something are no longer in business, because the competition&#039;s claims were too good to be true.</p>
<p>Congress would not even dare to consider financing a measure benefiting children with taxes on such things as baby food, diapers, children&#039;s clothing, juvenile furniture or toys. Even more outlandish would be the mere thought of doing away with dependents&#039; tax exemptions to fund their health care and education. Never in a million years could we count on something that fair happening in the land of the free and the home of the brave!</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeH</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeorgeH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are correct that the cigar industry MUST get its act together and come-up with a plan.  I&#039;m afraid that the next round of debate on SCHIP will have the cigar tax &quot;floor&quot; at $3 and bargain upwards from there rather than downwards.  The pols will say &quot;Hey, I did you a favor - at least it isn&#039;t $10 per cigar.&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct that the cigar industry MUST get its act together and come-up with a plan.  I&#039;m afraid that the next round of debate on SCHIP will have the cigar tax &quot;floor&quot; at $3 and bargain upwards from there rather than downwards.  The pols will say &quot;Hey, I did you a favor &#8211; at least it isn&#039;t $10 per cigar.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Eric D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing that! I also got a response from Mikulski, but it was much more canned that that one. It went into the &quot;its for the children&quot; rant. What I want to know is this: if they believe children&#039;s health care is so important why would they rely on tobacco users to pay for such a crucial service. They also say on the other side of their mouth that this will help people quit smoking. Well then if they quit smoking there will be no money for children&#039;s health care! They don&#039;t realize the idiocy of their logic. If all the smokers were to quit, then what would they tax next? Beer, wine, coffee, candy? If they could  put a tax on our thoughts they would do it. I agree with the above poster- God help us all... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing that! I also got a response from Mikulski, but it was much more canned that that one. It went into the &quot;its for the children&quot; rant. What I want to know is this: if they believe children&#039;s health care is so important why would they rely on tobacco users to pay for such a crucial service. They also say on the other side of their mouth that this will help people quit smoking. Well then if they quit smoking there will be no money for children&#039;s health care! They don&#039;t realize the idiocy of their logic. If all the smokers were to quit, then what would they tax next? Beer, wine, coffee, candy? If they could  put a tax on our thoughts they would do it. I agree with the above poster- God help us all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heaven help us all if a Dem. wins the White House. We&#039;ll all be taking overseas vacations just to smoke a few good stogies because you won&#039;t be able to here anymore. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heaven help us all if a Dem. wins the White House. We&#039;ll all be taking overseas vacations just to smoke a few good stogies because you won&#039;t be able to here anymore.</p>
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